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http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/ ... 75/4840612

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Post Re: Mike Burke's old car...
interesting ....as V5c says:

1600cc engine
engine numnber 711M.... means "ford crossflow"
body type "2 door SALOON"
colour green
chassis number S95017

so: colour wrong, engiine size / tYPE and number wrong, body type wrong

is that chassis-number of a stylus or is this a v5c from another car being used for that car?


Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:49 pm
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As far as I can recollect mikes car was built using a fury chassis and the body was brg gelcoat. Not sure when it was upgraded to a zetec. Mike changed the car colour to red and upgraded the engine to this state of tune before selling it to a guy in France as he was moving back to Oz. I'm sure other guys know a bit more of the changes this car has had.


Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:45 am
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It's got my inlet manifold on it from when he upgraded the Zetec from 190bhp to the latest spec. I never saw the car when green so Mike must have resprayed it red early on. It possibly has one of my ARB's from memory too. Maybe he didn't bother with the DVLA when swapping engines .

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Post Re: Mike Burke's old car...
every car leaving the UK , getting exported to another Eu memberstate, needs a inspection b4 registration.

this inspection is more or less a much stricter MOT test and varies from state to state.

germany: if the car has a reg.-date of 1974 (so the reg.date is older than 30y) than the MOT tester may decide that the car will get the thought after histroic-registration (oldtimer).

but here the problems start: if the MOT tester is working correctly he might accept the 74 reg-date, even he knows that the company Sylva was not founded before beginnig of the 80ies, also the chassis number tells him the car is from 1995.
but than the car needs to be at least built, using "contemporary" parts matching with the 74 reg-date.

zetec engine, carbon dash, modern instruments, modern alloys or whatever are a no-go than.

alternatviely he will test it with a differtn view:

as the 74reg. date in the UK paperwork is fact, he needs to accept it and will also issue the test-report with this date.
as the chassisnumber tells him that the car is from 1995, also some modern parts (like engine) have been fitted, he will issue the test-report with a sentence "the tested car is not entiteld to be declared as a historic vehicle"

here with this red stylus its very suspicous for any tester:
the car presented is red, with a zetec engine fitted. body type saloon. crossflow engine-number
so how can you prove or make believe that the car presented at the MOT is the car from the v5c?

why a british MOT tester should accept it? a green x/flow powerd car with a wrong body type in the v5c, but a red zetec powered car in front of him in the test station.



to make it more clear with the historic registrations:

in nearly ALL eu-memberstates (besides UK) a car can only be declared histroic, if its in very good condition and is presented in original condition or with contemporary modifications. even a shabby or modern paintwork might be re-jected.

vauxhall xe engine in an esocrt MK1 or MK2, bye-bye historic registration.

older (70ies) caterham with zetec engine, bye-bye historic registration.

only to give some ideas.


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Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:00 pm
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Post Re: Mike Burke's old car...
"Just trying to understand the process in Germany myself, as I am looking into registering a new-build in France which I know may prove difficult, if not impossible.
I have the option of presenting to the French authorities either a new but unregistered non-type-approved build, or a UK IVA "new 2016 reg", or "donor age related" (1997/1999), or "Q plate"... I think the Q plate is a definite no-no, so most likely will end up with the UK age related vehicle."

i think its impossible due to the emission classifiaction. as i know UK is the sole country in the EU where the emission class is determined by the engine-age. all other countries do it by the reg.-date. (please correct me if i´m wrong)

2016 reg-date would mean EURO6
but the emission class is linked to many other things , like noise, EMS, passenger safety, OBD-connection and so on (which a kitcar will never fullfill). additionally you would need to prove in a certified rolling road session that the car and its engine "really" fullfills the EU6. a static emission test is not enough.

this said caterham and westfield have such a EU-conform vehicle...but you better dont compare the prices with the UK models. also their vehicles for sale (outside UK) are always factory built cars, never kits.


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Post Re: Mike Burke's old car...
So if it's such a problem --- why would you be interested in a used Stylus :?: . Obvious conclusion would be -- DON'T BUY ONE . Another very good reason for us (uk) to get out of this stupid potential united states of Europe , that we were dragged into after being lied to by our government at the time , regarding it's long term goals :x

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Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:47 pm
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Post Re: Mike Burke's old car...
did i say i´m interested in this red, overpriced car with incorrect paperwork?

did i open this thread?

no, to both questions.

and if you dont like to be in the EU...please vote against it at the next elections. anyway, such a forum shouldnt be used for talking about politics.


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Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:25 am
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Post Re: Mike Burke's old car...
i own certain sylva cars, and importet all the cars my mates are driving. so i know the UK prices well.

this car might have been built with a high spec., but those cars do not fetch such money.
and talking about a car in the upper price-range the paperwork should be spot -on, which it isnt.

due to lots of imports, the markets for kitcars outside UK are saturated.

even the UK sales prices have slightly increased & the pound-euro exchange rate has become worse, the prices outside UK rather decrease than increase.

additionally it must be said that the majority of cars built since SVA was established, arent legally re-registrateable outside UK. means the UK market for exportable cars has become emptied.



now back to this thread: somebody linked the sales advert of Mike´s ex-car

i replied with some data´s of the v5c which do not corrospond with the actual status of the car.

than Matt asked about the procedures in germany for comparing them to france.

i replied and now i´m the bogeyman??


Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:18 am
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You have made my point for me , you're a dealer so naturally view these cars from a different perspective. Yes , you were answering MattD which I hadn't taken in and Mike is a very good friend --- Sorry.

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Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:12 am
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Post Re: Mike Burke's old car...
ok...thats fine......but i wouldnt call me a dealer.....enthusiast & collector would be a better name, as i did not import my and my mates cars for making profit. the cars for me are because i´m collecting them and for my mates because they arent familiar with the english-language.... :wink:


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