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Post EELMOOR Sprint Royal 4th October 2015
I've entered the Stylus for Eelmoor , the only event for me this year so 12 months since I last competed. Still a bit of pain and stiffness since the hip surgery so not sure how it'll go. If I'm not up to it in the next couple of weeks I could cancel -- we'll see :roll:

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Post Re: EELMOOR Sprint Royal 4th October 2015
Best of luck, Rob. I'll see if I can hitch a ride up with one of the other IOWCC members who's competing. I had planned to enter myself, but things have conspired against me. Next year :)

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Post Re: EELMOOR Sprint Royal 4th October 2015
Nightmare. Assuming the new safety regs only affect the Sports Libre class rather than the usual road going kit class?

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Post Re: EELMOOR Sprint Royal 4th October 2015
The press release says HANS is only advisory for "Period Defined Vehicles, Road-going Series Production Cars and Road-going Specialist Production Cars.", so that's not too bad at least. Haven't seen anything about tyres yet - will have to look into it as I have 595rsrs on my car.

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Post Re: EELMOOR Sprint Royal 4th October 2015
If you don't mind me using construction industry speak, 4.5k for a rollcage sounds like someone is taking the piss, I think I would phone about to various companies for alternative quotes, there seems to be quite a few companies out there doing that type of work.
As I'm thinking about doing some sprinting next year, I've emailed the msa about the Rops needed, I would need a rear bar with back stays and a diagonal, this is for up to 2ltr road going specialist production class. Anything over 2ltr is going to need a full cage.

Have you thought about taking the blower off and changing class?

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Post Re: EELMOOR Sprint Royal 4th October 2015
Competition ROPS is something I'm having to look at with my big-picture SSC hat on.
My current understanding is as follows:-

For 2016>>> sprinting
Up to 2 ltr = Rear hoop, stays & diagonal.
2ltr+ (& >2ltr forced induction) = Full cage & side impact bars.

The £4.5K Rob mentions isn't just to make the full cage, its for the cage manufacturer & MSA to certificate the design of the structure (through CAD simulation and possibly a formal MIRA crash test) & then be allowed to issue the required FIA/MSA ROPS compliance certificate.
Once a chassis specific cage design is approved they can then make as many as they like at a more sensible cost per item, issuing a ROPS certificate for each as necessary.
Basically, someone has to stump up the dollar for the testing, and for a serious kitcar business intending to offer a competition car.... that should be the car manufacturer.

The alternative to the full-on certificated route is to comply "directly" to the design diagrams in Section K of the blue book. ie correct materials & dimensions, exact copies of the drawn tube shapes & routes (no deviations), number of bends per leg, welded rear stays/bracing, side impact bars, mounting points & thread sizes, etc.

In conjunction with all of that, the base chassis needs to have the relevant ROPS & HANS/Harness mounting points. As anyone who's looked hard will know, this is a current weakness of the original Stylus chassis particularly where the front hoop feet need to bolt into the car. It is however, something that a can be designed-in to the next generation.

HANS Posts can be retro fitted to helmets without... just got to be confident enough to drill you're shell ! - Page 10 - http://hansdevice.com/Tech_files/HANS%2 ... 202014.pdf

Road-spec rear hoops can remain as-is btw, as they are mainly "for the look" & somewhere to bolt the harness straps....


Correct me if I'm wrong !!

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Post Re: EELMOOR Sprint Royal 4th October 2015
I agree with Matt.

Mine is to the Blue book & cost £450. Front Hoop, Rear hoop Top Side bars & diagonal cross, door side bars, rear stays. I can only access through the roof now. Doors are waisted except to gain access for internal work. Rear stays are almost a waist of time as they fix to the small rear tubes, which are likely to fold in a rear collision. However it does strengthen the rear suspension links.

When scrutineers inspect for sprint/hillclimbs, I have to provide MSA log book & they check quite thoroughly. At races, no paperwork is required. Race cars dont seem to have log books of any sort, (although Im sure some must). Also the inspection is fairly brief with in indepth(ish) inspection of 1 particular item.

As regards to Hans will be required for racing, but not roadgoing sprints/hillclimbs. This is due to standard seat belts not being suable for Hans.

One side note regarding "home made" & Professionally made ROPs. The home made units are "scaffolding" type tube. Professional can use lighter tube. Due to a better ROP design & superior welding. This is part of the certification/test/registeration process. My car is overweight by 100kg, or underpowered. But not sure a £5000 ROP would have helped much.


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@kevp do you have a pic or two of the cage please ?


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Post Re: EELMOOR Sprint Royal 4th October 2015
Hi Rob.

Yes I realise you are not in the road-going class. Therefore need to comply with the HANS requirement. Just pointing out if you are in a road registered class it will not be needed. But if a car has a full harness fitted the scruts may expect the driver to comply.

Regarding the ROPS, I have not read the 2016 blue book. But I doubt that it is a requirement to have a certified cage fitted to all of the cars.

The logistics of time & cost to replace 1000s of ROPS over the next 3 months will never be achieved. Also race cars do not have log books as a rule, & hence what chassis/registration number do you list on your ROPS certificate?

I do accept sprint & hillclimb cars have MSA log books & may well have different requirements regarding the Blue Book. I can remember as an example, that gloves became mandatory for sprints. But where not required in racing a couple of years ago!

I guess I will read the 2016 MSA regs now before I mislead anyone.


Dave - I will try & get some photos over the weekend.


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Hi Rob.

Yes I realise you are not in the road-going class. Therefore need to comply with the HANS requirement. Just pointing out if you are in a road registered class it will not be needed. But if a car has a full harness fitted the scruts may expect the driver to comply.

Regarding the ROPS, I have not read the 2016 blue book. But I doubt that it is a requirement to have a certified cage fitted to all of the cars.

The logistics of time & cost to replace 1000s of ROPS over the next 3 months will never be achieved. Also race cars do not have log books as a rule, & hence what chassis/registration number do you list on your ROPS certificate?

I do accept sprint & hillclimb cars have MSA log books & may well have different requirements regarding the Blue Book. I can remember as an example, that gloves became mandatory for sprints. But where not required in racing a couple of years ago!

I guess I will read the 2016 MSA regs now before I mislead anyone.


Dave - I will try & get some photos over the weekend.


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