Mike Burke's old car...

[MattD]

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/ ... 75/4840612

[Gemini]

interesting ....as V5c says:

1600cc engine
engine numnber 711M.... means "ford crossflow"
body type "2 door SALOON"
colour green
chassis number S95017

so: colour wrong, engiine size / tYPE and number wrong, body type wrong

is that chassis-number of a stylus or is this a v5c from another car being used for that car?

[parleys]

As far as I can recollect mikes car was built using a fury chassis and the body was brg gelcoat. Not sure when it was upgraded to a zetec. Mike changed the car colour to red and upgraded the engine to this state of tune before selling it to a guy in France as he was moving back to Oz. I'm sure other guys know a bit more of the changes this car has had.

[stylussprinter]

It's got my inlet manifold on it from when he upgraded the Zetec from 190bhp to the latest spec. I never saw the car when green so Mike must have resprayed it red early on. It possibly has one of my ARB's from memory too. Maybe he didn't bother with the DVLA when swapping engines .

[MattD]

It's got my inlet manifold on it from when he upgraded the Zetec from 190bhp to the latest spec. I never saw the car when green so Mike must have resprayed it red early on. It possibly has one of my ARB's from memory too. Maybe he didn't bother with the DVLA when swapping engines .

Don't think Mike ever had it as a Stylus with a Crossflow in it, 711 block or otherwise...
I've got his old 1.8 Raceline engine - Don't think I'll ever use it....Any one want to buy it
As Robs said, about 190hp on bike carbs from a sweet 1.8 silvertop, with RL head work & cams, & ARP rod-bolts - but minus the RL Sump, inlet, & water rail which got used on Mike's new one-off special 2ltr blacktop build.

Rob, Its got your ARB, can see the brackets & pushrods in the engine photo.

[MattD]

interesting ....as V5c says:

1600cc engine
engine numnber 711M.... means "ford crossflow"
body type "2 door SALOON"
colour green
chassis number S95017

so: colour wrong, engine size / tYPE and number wrong, body type wrong

is that chassis-number of a stylus or is this a v5c from another car being used for that car?

Hi Micha.... similar to your conversation on JPSC forum about the Sylva Star.....

The unbuilt kit came directly from Jeremy at Sylva, as Mike was proud to be one of the first builders of a Stylus.
As such the chassis number is correct. I would guess - S for Sylva, 1995, chassis 17 as you probably surmised yourself.

So it is older than any of the later SSC companies that followed, and pre-dates the requirement of SVA testing which came in on 1st Jan 1998.
Maybe it did get built with the crossflow, so as to retain the number plate, and then just a quick DVLA checkover & MOT to get legally on the road.
Seems likely Mike then fitted the 1.8 Zetec & painted the car, but forgot to update the DVLA database.

I know you have several Sylvas already... Is the N/1974 registration & the crossflow on the V5C not a bonus that allows you to get old-timer status in Germany (by posting the paperwork), or do you have to get the car physically inspected ? Could you put a 1600 crossflow into the chassis & then swap the Zetec back in later ??

Just trying to understand the process in Germany myself, as I am looking into registering a new-build in France which I know may prove difficult, if not impossible.
I have the option of presenting to the French authorities either a new but unregistered non-type-approved build, or a UK IVA "new 2016 reg", or "donor age related" (1997/1999), or "Q plate"... I think the Q plate is a definite no-no, so most likely will end up with the UK age related vehicle.

Rgds
Matt

[Gemini]

every car leaving the UK , getting exported to another Eu memberstate, needs a inspection b4 registration.

this inspection is more or less a much stricter MOT test and varies from state to state.

germany: if the car has a reg.-date of 1974 (so the reg.date is older than 30y) than the MOT tester may decide that the car will get the thought after histroic-registration (oldtimer).

but here the problems start: if the MOT tester is working correctly he might accept the 74 reg-date, even he knows that the company Sylva was not founded before beginnig of the 80ies, also the chassis number tells him the car is from 1995.
but than the car needs to be at least built, using "contemporary" parts matching with the 74 reg-date.

zetec engine, carbon dash, modern instruments, modern alloys or whatever are a no-go than.

alternatviely he will test it with a differtn view:

as the 74reg. date in the UK paperwork is fact, he needs to accept it and will also issue the test-report with this date.
as the chassisnumber tells him that the car is from 1995, also some modern parts (like engine) have been fitted, he will issue the test-report with a sentence "the tested car is not entiteld to be declared as a historic vehicle"

here with this red stylus its very suspicous for any tester:
the car presented is red, with a zetec engine fitted. body type saloon. crossflow engine-number
so how can you prove or make believe that the car presented at the MOT is the car from the v5c?

why a british MOT tester should accept it? a green x/flow powerd car with a wrong body type in the v5c, but a red zetec powered car in front of him in the test station.



to make it more clear with the historic registrations:

in nearly ALL eu-memberstates (besides UK) a car can only be declared histroic, if its in very good condition and is presented in original condition or with contemporary modifications. even a shabby or modern paintwork might be re-jected.

vauxhall xe engine in an esocrt MK1 or MK2, bye-bye historic registration.

older (70ies) caterham with zetec engine, bye-bye historic registration.

only to give some ideas.

[Gemini]

"Just trying to understand the process in Germany myself, as I am looking into registering a new-build in France which I know may prove difficult, if not impossible.
I have the option of presenting to the French authorities either a new but unregistered non-type-approved build, or a UK IVA "new 2016 reg", or "donor age related" (1997/1999), or "Q plate"... I think the Q plate is a definite no-no, so most likely will end up with the UK age related vehicle."

i think its impossible due to the emission classifiaction. as i know UK is the sole country in the EU where the emission class is determined by the engine-age. all other countries do it by the reg.-date. (please correct me if i´m wrong)

2016 reg-date would mean EURO6
but the emission class is linked to many other things , like noise, EMS, passenger safety, OBD-connection and so on (which a kitcar will never fullfill). additionally you would need to prove in a certified rolling road session that the car and its engine "really" fullfills the EU6. a static emission test is not enough.

this said caterham and westfield have such a EU-conform vehicle...but you better dont compare the prices with the UK models. also their vehicles for sale (outside UK) are always factory built cars, never kits.

[stylussprinter]

So if it's such a problem --- why would you be interested in a used Stylus . Obvious conclusion would be -- DON'T BUY ONE . Another very good reason for us (uk) to get out of this stupid potential united states of Europe , that we were dragged into after being lied to by our government at the time , regarding it's long term goals

[Gemini]

did i say i´m interested in this red, overpriced car with incorrect paperwork?

did i open this thread?

no, to both questions.

and if you dont like to be in the EU...please vote against it at the next elections. anyway, such a forum shouldnt be used for talking about politics.

[stylussprinter]

did i say i´m interested in this red, overpriced car with incorrect paperwork?

did i open this thread?

no, to both questions.

and if you dont like to be in the EU...please vote against it at the next elections. anyway, such a forum shouldnt be used for talking about politics.

H'mmm , as a builder and owner of one of the first Stylus's sold which I still have , this forum was set up for others like myself plus owners who've taken them on as previously built/owned . That being the case , I can discuss and have opinions on any post or subject. Your post on regs/rules for the EU (ours being not to EU standards) regarding mot testers etc , simply reminded me of all the reasons I'd like to be out of it/the EU that is.
You post on here and the JPSC but not as either a builder or new owner and usually critical of peoples cars or their asking price . Mike had uprated his Stylus , not long before leaving the UK , to a high spec. I would have asked that price too.

[Gemini]

i own certain sylva cars, and importet all the cars my mates are driving. so i know the UK prices well.

this car might have been built with a high spec., but those cars do not fetch such money.
and talking about a car in the upper price-range the paperwork should be spot -on, which it isnt.

due to lots of imports, the markets for kitcars outside UK are saturated.

even the UK sales prices have slightly increased & the pound-euro exchange rate has become worse, the prices outside UK rather decrease than increase.

additionally it must be said that the majority of cars built since SVA was established, arent legally re-registrateable outside UK. means the UK market for exportable cars has become emptied.



now back to this thread: somebody linked the sales advert of Mike´s ex-car

i replied with some data´s of the v5c which do not corrospond with the actual status of the car.

than Matt asked about the procedures in germany for comparing them to france.

i replied and now i´m the bogeyman??

[stylussprinter]

You have made my point for me , you're a dealer so naturally view these cars from a different perspective. Yes , you were answering MattD which I hadn't taken in and Mike is a very good friend --- Sorry.

[Gemini]

ok...thats fine......but i wouldnt call me a dealer.....enthusiast & collector would be a better name, as i did not import my and my mates cars for making profit. the cars for me are because i´m collecting them and for my mates because they arent familiar with the english-language....