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The rear trailing links that some Stylus's were fitted with , to allow a greater shock travel and still lower the car if needed -- ie & not bend the links :!: are problematic to make due to requiring repeatable accurate roundtube pipe bending. Having made a pair , it's not difficult to get the pivot points in the right place but '' a pair '' can still not look identicle .
With this in mind , I've come up with a design to acheive the same parameters but not needing the correct angled '' bent '' roundtube . They will be made in square box plus 3mm sheet and be fitted with the usual 28.5mm poly bushes.
Not being roundtube , they wont look so '' sexy '' if it's bling that motivates you but will acheive the same ends --- allow 15 inch shocks and 10 or 9 inch springs to be fitted , with that all important extra piston travel (5 inches)
Contact me '' PM '' if this is of interest then I'll make the jig up and get making :) or some of you know my email .
I just love the Stylus but she keeps swallowing £££ !
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Possibly interested in this Rob- I'm going to see how I get on with the standard setup first though. I'm not planning on lowering it much (if at all) as mine will be a road car primarily. And I want to keep my sump in one piece!

Can you keep me posted with prices though if you do decide to make them.
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Craig-Chap wrote:Possibly interested in this Rob- I'm going to see how I get on with the standard setup first though. I'm not planning on lowering it much (if at all) as mine will be a road car primarily. And I want to keep my sump in one piece!

Can you keep me posted with prices though if you do decide to make them.
Lowering is possible using these links but it's never been the major reason to do it. It's all about '' max piston travel '' without hitting the bump stops when using the appropriate shocks/springs :wink: ie. maybe loaded or with passenger over twisty hard cornering roads -- shocks/springs allowing no more piston travel = no suspension for a moment = bent links eventually :!:
Because you can't see under the car while driving the only symptoms you get is ''sudo hard suspension'' --- hence some drivers reporting that 180lbs springs at the rear are too hard :o which is seldom the truth :!:
PM sent Craig :!:
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Got several sets of SS inners and poly bushes now and made up some cds outer bush holders ready for making up trailing links . Steel box etc not delivered yet but already have some thick plate to make the jig .
Having eventually made the jig , if anyone is interested in changing to this suspension upgrade , please contact me even if you don't intend fitting them immediately ---- it helps in preparation/cutting etc.
Norma :!: once I've made the ARB for Andrea then completed the jig , your links will be next on my list ok :)
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OK Rob - I'm in no rush, the poor girl is stuck in the garage with a broken vx220 behind it, so its not top priority!
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norma wrote:OK Rob - I'm in no rush, the poor girl is stuck in the garage with a broken vx220 behind it, so its not top priority!
Cheers
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Ah ha :!: too many toys me thinks :lol: You must have a very large garage/shed or both :mrgreen:
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nah its not that large - just big enough for 2 very small cars :wink:
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Just a note regarding the ' fit ' that you get into the outer steel bushes at the link ends :!:
The steel outers that I've used are ' turned ' CDS tube with an exact fit for the poly bushes . This means that no adjustment of bushes is required , to get the all important 1mm inner sleeve extending behond the top hat , which ensures once bolted up to 100lbft that the bush (with inner side silicon greased :wink: ) moves around that sleeve ------ not the sleeve around the bolt :!:
The standard SSC items were always too wide which mean't either slimming down the top hat end of the poly's OR grinding a 1mm or so from the link arm outer bushes :roll:

I've got some Stylus suspension parts here now with ''non adjusted'' poly's fitted , proving that the suspension since new has never moved around the inner sleeve BUT simply moved around the bolt OR if bolted really tight , the link outer sleeve has moved around the poly ---- hence stiff and/or squeeky movement ---- makes me wonder how many other cars out there are fitted in this way :roll:
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stylussprinter wrote: the link outer sleeve has moved around the poly ---- hence stiff and/or squeeky movement ---- makes me wonder how many other cars out there are fitted in this way :roll:


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norma wrote:
stylussprinter wrote: the link outer sleeve has moved around the poly ---- hence stiff and/or squeeky movement ---- makes me wonder how many other cars out there are fitted in this way :roll:


:oops:


Bet you aren't the only one Alex :)
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stylussprinter wrote:The rear trailing links that some Stylus's were fitted with , to allow a greater shock travel and still lower the car if needed -- ie & not bend the links :!: are problematic to make due to requiring repeatable accurate roundtube pipe bending. Having made a pair , it's not difficult to get the pivot points in the right place but '' a pair '' can still not look identicle .
With this in mind , I've come up with a design to acheive the same parameters but not needing the correct angled '' bent '' roundtube . They will be made in square box plus 3mm sheet and be fitted with the usual 28.5mm poly bushes.
Not being roundtube , they wont look so '' sexy '' if it's bling that motivates you but will acheive the same ends --- allow 15 inch shocks and 10 or 9 inch springs to be fitted , with that all important extra piston travel (5 inches)
Contact me '' PM '' if this is of interest then I'll make the jig up and get making :) or some of you know my email .
Rob, Saw this webpage and thought it might be some use for the trailing links thought process: http://www.danstuff.info/furyracerd10.htm
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CMA wrote:
stylussprinter wrote:The rear trailing links that some Stylus's were fitted with , to allow a greater shock travel and still lower the car if needed -- ie & not bend the links :!: are problematic to make due to requiring repeatable accurate roundtube pipe bending. Having made a pair , it's not difficult to get the pivot points in the right place but '' a pair '' can still not look identicle .
With this in mind , I've come up with a design to acheive the same parameters but not needing the correct angled '' bent '' roundtube . They will be made in square box plus 3mm sheet and be fitted with the usual 28.5mm poly bushes.
Not being roundtube , they wont look so '' sexy '' if it's bling that motivates you but will acheive the same ends --- allow 15 inch shocks and 10 or 9 inch springs to be fitted , with that all important extra piston travel (5 inches)
Contact me '' PM '' if this is of interest then I'll make the jig up and get making :) or some of you know my email .
Rob, Saw this webpage and thought it might be some use for the trailing links thought process: http://www.danstuff.info/furyracerd10.htm
Thank you Rob ---- yes that's a solution I've seen before but I didn't like having that huge '' U '' bracket plonked on top . My design uses square 30mm tube , doesn't dip at the back but still acheives the necessary all 3 pivots inline parameter . IE , it looks straight , all will become clear when I put photos up on here . A key point with these is that fitting will be a doddle because the outer sleeves welded to each end are turned items ---- ie the poly's will fit and leave the exact 0.5mm inner sleeve protruding beyond the top hats THEN simply pull up the bolts to 100lbft ---- job done :wink:

They will of course need to utilise Protech's , partly due to the '' travel '' on their 1.9'' items but mainly that their bushes will just go into my mounting points --- 30mm's apart so no washers OR possibly extremely thin ones :)
I just love the Stylus but she keeps swallowing £££ !
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Having measured up Dean Roker's FURY SPIDER a few years back to make new rear links , I noticed that they were identical in length '' centre to centre '' between bushes to STYLUS's ---- the only difference being that the lower shock mount was 25mm's closer to the axle end.

This was probably to clear the chassis area behind the seat pans/slightly different. So my new design would fit FURY's with a 25mm adjustment of that mount :) Never measured PHOENIX or STRIKER rear links but they're likely to be similar :roll:
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REAR LOWERING ARMS (norma)---- Jig made up and turned outer sleeves & other steel ready to start.
LOWER FRONT WISHBONES (dern)---- All pieces cut/notched ready to weld , just waiting for rodends/locknuts/threaded inserts.
ARB gone to Italy yesterday.(Andrea Z)
FRONT TUBULAR ROCKERS (MattD)---- Jig partially built , the correct angle specifically and a plan on how to mount the spherical bearing , once Matt has had a long think on his final front end width --- no hurry , got plenty to play at :wink:
In theory I could use the same jig with different outer pivot length hole , to make them for Escort M2 uprights using the tapered pin :roll: ------------ if I could get a supply of those 50mm circular female tapered outer ends :?:
I just love the Stylus but she keeps swallowing £££ !
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