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Re: Alloy wheel nuts

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:02 pm
by stylussprinter
Wheels and tyres are mated now but they've put the front wheel ' weights ' in the wrong place , exactly inline with the steering arm to rackend pin ----- the rears don't matter where the weights are but I did mark the fronts with blue tape about 30mm back from the rim :roll:
I'll either have to drive 20 miles again or sort them at my cost locally :evil: Anyway , here they are on the car and there's a little rear arch extention to be done , otherwise brilliant . Car's now 12mm's lower without any suspension mod's plus 25kgs lighter , so I'll be lowering the tyre pressure to suit. Then I need some track time to scrub them in and optimise the front geometry.

Re: Alloy wheel nuts

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:05 pm
by MattD
stylussprinter wrote:Wheels and tyres are mated now but they've put the front wheel ' weights ' in the wrong place , exactly inline with the steering arm to rackend pin ----- the rears don't matter where the weights are but I did mark the fronts with blue tape about 30mm back from the rim :roll:
I'll either have to drive 20 miles again or sort them at my cost locally :evil: Anyway , here they are on the car and there's a little rear arch extention to be done , otherwise brilliant . Car's now 12mm's lower without any suspension mod's plus 25kgs lighter , so I'll be lowering the tyre pressure to suit. Then I need some track time to scrub them in and optimise the front geometry.
All looking good Rob, the gold/chrome combo looks tops with the red paintwork and the bigger sidewalls give it a proper retro balloon tyres style.
Just hope you make a better job of the rear arches than I did :wink:

(I've already been in touch with Andy Westgate & penciled mine in for him to work his magic on bonnet & arches sometime next year)

Re: Alloy wheel nuts

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:24 pm
by stylussprinter
MattD wrote:
stylussprinter wrote:Wheels and tyres are mated now but they've put the front wheel ' weights ' in the wrong place , exactly inline with the steering arm to rackend pin ----- the rears don't matter where the weights are but I did mark the fronts with blue tape about 30mm back from the rim :roll:
I'll either have to drive 20 miles again or sort them at my cost locally :evil: Anyway , here they are on the car and there's a little rear arch extention to be done , otherwise brilliant . Car's now 12mm's lower without any suspension mod's plus 25kgs lighter , so I'll be lowering the tyre pressure to suit. Then I need some track time to scrub them in and optimise the front geometry.
All looking good Rob, the gold/chrome combo looks tops with the red paintwork and the bigger sidewalls give it a proper retro balloon tyres style.
Just hope you make a better job of the rear arches than I did :wink:

(I've already been in touch with Andy Westgate & penciled mine in for him to work his magic on bonnet & arches sometime next year)
Andy Westgate ---- that rings a bell but can't remember why :oops: :D

Re: Alloy wheel nuts

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:03 pm
by MattD
stylussprinter wrote:Andy Westgate ---- that rings a bell but can't remember why :oops: :D
Alec's contact for headlight covers :wink:

Re: Alloy wheel nuts

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:30 am
by hearbear
Hi Rob

As Matt said they do give a retro look and with the red body work it looks really good :D

Re: Alloy wheel nuts

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:43 am
by stylussprinter
hearbear wrote:Hi Rob

As Matt said they do give a retro look and with the red body work it looks really good :D
Yes , I think so too George . I originally planned getting Black wheels , possibly CXR's but although they could do any offset they couldn't supply a 7.5 inch wide rim , only a 7 or 8 inch . That would have been fine for 7 inch wets , if two sets were affordable but they also weighed 4.5 kgs ----- so while on a weight saving session I wanted the max possible , hence browsing around and finding Force Racing Wheels. Black certainly looks more discreet and serious but the bling of gold on red got the better of me ----- all I need now is a huge gold area , front to back of the body then it'll be an Alan Mann Stylus :lol: (no I'm not serious but it does have loads of FORD bits :P )

Re -- cxr's , I've heard that COMPOMOTIVE are going to the receiver :cry: , possibly just a rumour . Anyone else know if that's correct :?:

Re: Alloy wheel nuts

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:56 pm
by stylussprinter
Just read that all their employees were made redundant before receivers brought in to sell off the assets :cry:

Re: Alloy wheel nuts

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:05 am
by pigeondave
Thats some weight loss (25kg)
It should also help lighten the steering.

How did you get on with the nuts? can you use them?

Re: Alloy wheel nuts

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:26 am
by stylussprinter
pigeondave wrote:Thats some weight loss (25kg)
It should also help lighten the steering.

How did you get on with the nuts? can you use them?
I've written to the MSA for clarity , seeing as although apparently banned , I don't circuit race which is what would produce constant braking over 12 or so laps , producing heat that moves into the hub , wheel and nuts/studs. This , it's said , is the objection --- that the alloy nuts will expand each time then get torqued up and repeated etc , so causing thread stripping eventually :roll: :?:
Weight loss wise , it's more important around the front wheels which both turn plus grip and rotary weight is equal to around 10 times static weight ----- so that would effect the car's handling all round as though 100kgs had been taken off PLUS of course the rear ----- let alone the power to weight or tyre pressures , all a plus .
The big minus --- is the loss of top end max speed in 5th which I've calculated to be approx'ly 8mph on my tyre size/diff/gear ratio . It'll touch the limiter sooner but be travelling at it's max for a longer distance of the straights which overall , I hope will result in a quicker lap .
If I'm wrong , I'll either drop Goodwood as my favourite event and stick to short sprints OR change the diff ratio --- AGAIN :twisted:

Re: Alloy wheel nuts

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:38 am
by stylussprinter
I've found a source for an alloy of titanium and high carbon steel wheel nuts , so have contacted them for info of size , thread and taper etc . They'll be half the weight or very close to that.

Re: Alloy wheel nuts

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:31 am
by pigeondave
If your contact comes through, could you post the details as I'd be interested.

Re: Alloy wheel nuts

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:01 am
by stylussprinter
pigeondave wrote:If your contact comes through, could you post the details as I'd be interested.
Will do Dave :)

Re: Alloy wheel nuts

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:33 am
by stylussprinter
stylussprinter wrote:
pigeondave wrote:If your contact comes through, could you post the details as I'd be interested.
Will do Dave :)
H'mmm , sent you an email Dave but don't think I'm going that route now , having seen their price at £195 a set of 16 . Really light at just over a pound weight for the set of 16 . Another company I found and emailed via their website hasn't returned my enquiry which is annoying , because they priced theirs at £95 which I would have gone for. It's really only the front wheels that feel the benefit when on track , if lowering rotary weight and having bought the VERY light wheels , thought I'd continue the theme.
I'll probably buy tuner slim steel wheel nuts though now . Slim to not scratch the billet centres and with a torx internal fit for tightening , they'll keep the billets in tidy condition. They are 19.5mm's outer diameter so easily slip into the hole before touching the taper.

Re: Alloy wheel nuts

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:05 pm
by pigeondave
mmm expensive.
but when you look at it you do get 16 of them £12.19 per nut.
But its still too much for shiny bolts :? . I can't remember if i spent that much on rod ends when i changed the front lower wishbones.

Re: Alloy wheel nuts

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:08 pm
by stylussprinter
OK , I've sorted it now ---- titanium steel nut weighed 22 grams but 1008 steel nut from EIGHT SPEED is just 25 grams and totally MSA legal --- against standard nuts at 60 grams each.
JOB DONE and ordered --- 20 RED nuts plus tool to fit at £56 delivered . Obviously only need 16 but that's the pack size/number . Code is 4531 and is available in 4 colours
I'm using open ended but others are available at slightly higher weight.

www.eightspeed.co.uk