clubstylus

I've been researching this subject for some time and found a good many people offering ' how to ' kit instructions. The one which interested me most was an American guy using it for stock dragster racing. Loads were similar in design but a little scruffy in construction , whereas this guy being a mechanic had given more thought to the tidyness and efficiency of his ' kit ' . His motive was more power within the reg's allowed by his sport but has gone on to economy of running for all.
Basically a container of water has two s.s. metal plates in it powered from the battery via a fuse and the ignition switch which produces HHO from the H2O which is then channelled into the air intake of deisel or petrol engines. Cost of building the kit is £100 max and some have acheived fifty percent or even double their previous mpg Very interesting if your road beast does 20 or 25 mpg The tech' on this has been known for 40 years but surpressed by those with vested interests. I.E. government tax and oil companies.
Seems to make more sense than HONDA's hydrogen car at £60,000 with nowhere to fill it up

im probally just about to get my subaru converted to LPG and have seen these hydrogen kits too. I tell ya what, if you give it a go and it works, ill do it too

Rob,

Have you ever done the test in school? I did and it takes pretty long time to get little hydrogen, so I doubt if it does anyhting on a car. It's just electrolysis, even your car battery produces this while charging, so in theory if you open the battery holes and route that to your inlet manifold, you get the same.

And don't forget that you also produce oxygen.

have a read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis

here you can see how long it takes to build up enough gas for a small pop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HWlx--t ... re=related

It's a scam, and will never work! Where do you think the extra energy is coming from? The tiny amount of hydrogen you can make will provide less energy than was extracted from your battery in the first place.

Actually, writing 'HHO' is a bit of a misnomer. 'HHO' is actually a simple 2:1 mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gas, not a compound as suggested by writing 'HHO'. It's true that this gas mixture will burn very vigourously (it's pretty much what makes the space shuttle go), and will probably enhance the performance of an engine if you could introduce it in great enough quantities.

Making it using battery power is certainly NOT efficient. You'd be better off using the battery to drive a supplementary electric motor (just like Hybrid cars do!)

Jeff

H'mm , so I've been had then

Have just arranged to meet a guy who has it fitted to his MERC' Sprinter van. I'll be reporting my findings.

stylussprinter wrote:Have just arranged to meet a guy who has it fitted to his MERC' Sprinter van. I'll be reporting my findings.

How are you going to tell if the efficiency has been improved?

This makes interesting reading too!

http://smashthemirror.wordpress.com/200 ... -car-isnt/

Jeff

jefferybond wrote:

stylussprinter wrote:Have just arranged to meet a guy who has it fitted to his MERC' Sprinter van. I'll be reporting my findings.

How are you going to tell if the efficiency has been improved?

Well the only way to be sure is to fill the van with deisel --- do a little trip of say 40 miles --- fill up again and calculate Nobody I know gets more than 35mpg from a Merc' Sprinter so I'd be looking for 25% improvement to 43.75mpg . That's a reasonable test to ask him to do with me on board

stylussprinter wrote: Well the only way to be sure is to fill the van with deisel --- do a little trip of say 40 miles --- fill up again and calculate Nobody I know gets more than 35mpg from a Merc' Sprinter so I'd be looking for 25% improvement to 43.75mpg . That's a reasonable test to ask him to do with me on board

Well really you want to repeat the test with the system turned on and off. Proves nothing otherwise. A one-off good figure might just be down to driving style, or engine condition.

To be honest, it wont work anyway, and I think you are wasting your time!

Jeff

IF it's able to produce enough H2 then it would be usable on a petrol engine, but certainly not on a diesel, ignition timing will be way off as the diesel is selfigniting, no sparkplug to ignite at the right point..

Werner Van Loock wrote:IF it's able to produce enough H2 then it would be usable on a petrol engine, but certainly not on a diesel, ignition timing will be way off as the diesel is selfigniting, no sparkplug to ignite at the right point..

But where does the energy come from to make the H2?

Jeff

jefferybond wrote:

Werner Van Loock wrote:IF it's able to produce enough H2 then it would be usable on a petrol engine, but certainly not on a diesel, ignition timing will be way off as the diesel is selfigniting, no sparkplug to ignite at the right point..

But where does the energy come from to make the H2?

Jeff

Via the alternator -- through the battery

Werner Van Loock wrote:IF it's able to produce enough H2 then it would be usable on a petrol engine, but certainly not on a diesel, ignition timing will be way off as the diesel is selfigniting, no sparkplug to ignite at the right point..

Years ago , when we actually had winters ( - 20 degrees for 3 mths ) , I used to mix petrol or kerosine into the tractors deisel or they would wax up plus you couldn't start them in the first place , which is bloody anoying at 5-00 a.m.

No stange problems re - timing etc then

stylussprinter wrote:Via the alternator -- through the battery

Obviously! However, are you saying that the energy provided by burning the hydrogen is greater than the energy consumed in turning the alternator?

If true, the world's energy crisis is over!

Jeff