Engine Conversion

drhunter · Post by **drhunter** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:19 pm

Hi all,
I am soon to be the proud owner of a Stylus (Pics to come when I collect it)

It currently has a 1300 crossflow with unleaded head, Piper Cam. DGAV Weber, Type-9 5 speed box.

I'm not sure how much power this engine has as the owner didn't thrash it on the test drive.

I've read the threads about installing a zetec, they were very informative.
I'd like to know roughly how much I should expect to pay to have a 2nd hand 1.8 zetec etc installed and set up, and can anyone recommend a garage in the North East who would be willing/able to carry out the work!

Any info would be most helpful!

Thanks,
Dave

P.S. is there a Stylus owners club, and would membership make a difference to my insurance?

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:31 pm

drhunter wrote:Hi all,
I am soon to be the proud owner of a Stylus (Pics to come when I collect it)

It currently has a 1300 crossflow with unleaded head, Piper Cam. DGAV Weber, Type-9 5 speed box.

I'm not sure how much power this engine has as the owner didn't thrash it on the test drive.

I've read the threads about installing a zetec, they were very informative.
I'd like to know roughly how much I should expect to pay to have a 2nd hand 1.8 zetec etc installed and set up, and can anyone recommend a garage in the North East who would be willing/able to carry out the work!

Any info would be most helpful!

Thanks,
Dave

P.S. is there a Stylus owners club, and would membership make a difference to my insurance?

Hi Dave, firstly welcome to the forum, can't help with the fitting of the engine i'm affraid, insurance i used Adrian Flux and they were happy to use my registration on this forum as proof of club membership which i assume then gave me a discount £235 for me and the other half fully comp which i thought was OK with 3 yrs no claims.

Phil

drhunter · Post by **drhunter** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:45 pm

I'd love to do it myself but I'd like to be able to drive the car this summer

Insurance wise:
Sureterm will take into account 6 years as a named driver on my parents insurance (or 2 years on company car insurance)
£270 (£290 with legal cover) for 5k miles.

Without going too far off topic, Graham Sykes would cover me for under £200 if I was 25. Being only 24 they said it would be ~£900

Post by **Werner Van Loock** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:03 pm

Welcome to the forum and when you have pics/specs, just send me a email and I'll put you on the owners page, there's no fee to enter the club, just need to have a Stylus and ask that's all.

We're having a track day in august, organised by Rob, so if you're interested, just send him a pm or email.

I'll send you the 2007 newsletter tomorrow evening wich will explain a bit about the club.

Regarding the zetec, I have a lot of info as you can read on the forum, but as I'm located in Belgium, I can't help you on any nearby workshops off course. But someone will step up with some usefull info.

And you could also run it this summer with the Xflow and do the transplant when it starts pissing down again

whiterabbit · Post by **whiterabbit** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:08 pm

Hi D R Hunter

And welcome. See Rob's topic regarding insurance under the general Stylus Related heading, he recomends Caithness and Co.

If your engine is in good health it should make 80BHP. 1300 Sport and Ghia Escorts of the mid '70s had 71BHP stock. It doesn't sound a lot but its equivalent to 140 horses in a modern euro-box, more than enough for a fun Summer. My advice would be invest in a rolling road session then enjoy the sun, meanwhile, research a replacement then make it a winter project. Then next Summer you will be 25. - Sorted !

Steve (Old enough to be your dad!)

drhunter · Post by **drhunter** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:16 pm

Yeah I think that's the best plan.
Advice from a mate is that it's a nice safe amount to learn to control before moving to something more excessive.

Thanks for your help so far, I'm sure I'll have many more questions when I actually have the car in my garage

Dave

stylussprinter · Post by **stylussprinter** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:48 am

I presume you've got the little beast now

Let's see what she looks like , body , engine etc.
Rob.

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:27 pm

stylussprinter wrote:I presume you've got the little beast now Let's see what she looks like , body , engine etc.
Rob.

I was thinking the same thing, some photos would be good

Phil

stylussprinter · Post by **stylussprinter** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:15 am

A normal garage would be lost on a kit car and it just occurred to me that being in the north east you should contact JEREMY PHILLIPS of the SYLVA mark . An engine swap in one of his cars would be a doddle plus he's the facilities to come up with all required. SSC Tim could do it too but you did say the NE

alecmartin19 · Post by **alecmartin19** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:52 pm

welcome to the forum! i'd have said that a while ago but i seem to have missed this post for some reason!

not sure about garages up north because i live down south! i'm insured with adrian flux too!

however i pay considerably more than anybody else i'm sure even with my discount for belonging to this site. i was a naughty boy a few years ago and got a ban so i've been paying for that mistake ever since!

oops!

however, like rob said, a normal garage would be lost doing an engine transplant and from my experience, some of the monkeys working in some garages are not safe to work on cars so be careful. you may be better making friends with someone who is good with spanners. are you intending to run a 1.8 zetec with carbs or injection? if you chose to run with carbs, there wouldn't be a massive amount of work involved really!

hope to see you at the track day in august?!

Schrodinger · Post by **Schrodinger** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:00 pm

Hi I seem to have missed this post earlier as well but a belated welcome.
I did an engine swap on my Tiger Cat a couple of years ago, I put a 1.8l Zetec, with 2.0l cams and home made throttle bodies with an Emerald ECU and this gave me 150bhp on Emeralds RR.
The engine is the relatively cheap bit, but if I were to do this again I would use bike throttle bodies and possibly a mega squirt ECU, other bits you will need (off the top of my head and in no particular order) are starter motor, spigot bearing, new coolant hoses, exhaust headers, engine mounts, clutch release bearing from a transit and you may as well put in a new clutch injection fuel pump return fuel line swirl pot and modify the tank to take the return if it doesn't already have one.
There are probably a shed load of other odds and ends that I've missed and of course you could use carbs instead of throttle bodies.
Like has already been said I would drive the car during this summer and get the bits together for the swap and get the swap done over the winter. I'm not sure exactly where you are "up north" but Chester Sportscars might be worth having a chat with (01244 545161) http://www.chestersportscars.co.uk

Just noticed that you are in Newcastle so that is probably way out for you.

alecmartin19 · Post by **alecmartin19** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:23 pm

i'm not 100% sure but if you are mating a type 9 box from a sierra to a zetec, can you not use the same release bearing? i'm sure mine is a standard sierra one! maybe i'm wrong.

i did find there are 2 different sizes of clutch friction plate too! there is one with a small splined centre as fitted to orions and escorts, then there is the one with the larger splined centre which is fitted to the mondeo's and later escorts.

you'll need the big splined one to fit the splines on the shaft of the gearbox so watch out for that when buying a clutch!

drhunter · Post by **drhunter** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:29 am

Hi, thanks for all the new replies

I was going to come down to the track day but I couldn't get more than one day off work . The 12hour round trip would be too much for me.

As for the engine replacement. Although I am abusing this engine, it should last until the end of the summer

I'm following in the footsteps of the many people who have had to decide between carbs and tb's.

As more of an electronics engineer than a mechanical one I like the idea of building my own megasquirt ecu and sitting learning about mapping etc.
I've read the previous posts about the required equipment, but thanks for you input too Schrodinger.
I'm confident about doing all of the work upto actually mounting the engine in the car.

I've been looking around at how Zetecs are mounted on similar cars, and how the xflow is mounted.
There are brackets for Westfields that allow a Zetec to replace a xflow without having to alter the chassis mounting points but I don't know how the Stylus (Fury chassis) compares.

stylussprinter · Post by **stylussprinter** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:29 am

SSC do mounts for ZETEC 2lt/1.8lt (same) and the SE plus of course all DURATEC sizes. Nothing changes other than the angle of the mount ------ they still sit onto the plate where the chassis form a triangle.
Rob.

Post by **Werner Van Loock** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:51 am

Well, I think most of your questions has been answered, only thing I would like to add is to check out the VEMS ECU, to me (also electronics engineer) the VEMS looks a lot more modern and higher quality then the MS. It has some descent automotive connectors instead of the DB type connectors on the MS and also has SMD components instead of thru hole old skool electronics.

http://www.vems.co.uk
http://www.vems.hu
http://www.vems.hu/wiki/

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